Guide to Veterinary Drugs for Human Consumption, Post-SHTF
Posted on Feb 17, 2012 in Emergency Preparedness & Survival, Featured Articles, Health, Food News, & Big Pharma, Urban Gardening, Farming & HomesteadingKevin Hayden – TruthisTreason.net
In times of uncertainty, we humans like to stockpile and hoard. We seek information that will keep us safe and provide for our well-being. One of these topics will invariably center around medical knowledge or first-aid in case of an accident, sickness, or injury. Many of us already have a well-rounded medical kit, or basic skills in how to treat traumatic injuries. But one question I see and hear a lot of people talk about is medicine, and their lack of concrete, factual information when it comes to antibiotics – and specifically, whether it is safe to use animal antibiotics in humans.
Many other questions typically revolve around,
“Where can I find prescription-quality medicines?”
“My doctor won’t prescribe me common antibiotics for long-term disasters or bugging out.”
“What medicines should I stockpile?”
What this article will attempt to provide is the answer to these very questions, and more. While I am no fan of Big Pharma, I understand the amazing capabilities and modern need for some medicines, such as Doxycycline, Amoxicillin, and Penicillin. There are many natural antibiotics, and antibacterials, in nature. They surround us and like any medicine, require a bit of know-how and understanding in order to administer properly. Proper nutrition also plays a vital role in maintaining our health, but what about suffering cuts, punctures, or infections when there are no hospitals and doctors anymore?
Many people can’t convince their doctor into writing extraneous prescriptions for a, “What-if?” scenario.
So I set out to discover how to obtain and properly use modern, Big Pharma antibiotics in case of a tumultuous, long-term disaster, as I’m sure many of you foresee, as well.
The Answer Lies Within Veterinarian Drugs.
It’s not a big secret that veterinary antibiotics and drugs do not require a prescription. Drugs such as Fish-MOX clearly state on their label, “For Aquarium and Fish Use Only.” But are they truly only for fish? Are these antibiotics any different than what my pharmacist gives me?
When I started my research, all I found was information from pseudo-doctors and “scientists” from across the internet. I found page after page of conflicting information regarding the human consumption of animal antibiotics. Many people with several initials behind their name gave me a variety of answers or simply beat around the bush. One MD would say XYZ, and another doctor would tell me ABC. Some would say that they thought it would be safe to use veterinarian drugs, but only in dire times or as a last resort. Others would warn against it entirely, and yet some would encourage their use in everyday applications. And so I set out to find the Truth. I wanted concrete information on the safety and efficacy of this particular endeavor.
Let’s talk about what your other option is and get that out of the way.
You’ve likely seen the internet ads for generic versions of prescriptions from Canada or Mexico. They offer great prices and no questions asked. But like anything that seems too good to be true, they mostly are. Health regulations and quality control can be absent, to say the least. Many of these “pills” are manufactured by an unorthodox “3rd shift” at the normal plant, but have no oversight and their often-criminal motive is only black market profit. Some are simply made in a dirty kitchen or backyard shack.
While I’m well aware that the pharmaceutical industry’s main goal is profit, as well, they also have lawyers and a board of directors to answer to. I’ll leave my true, personal feelings of the “Pill Industry” out of this article and focus on how you can stockpile safe antibiotics.
The list of safety risks in using black market medicines is long, but the principal problems involve the use of prescription drugs without the proper knowledge in administration and the danger of buying drugs of unknown origin and quality. Daniel Hancz, Pharm.D., a pharmacist with the Health Authority Law Enforcement Task Force (HALT) in Los Angeles, says, “The drugs could be old, contaminated, or counterfeit. And if you experience some kind of allergic reaction or other side effect, it’s hard to trace the problem and treat it.”
The FDA estimates that a significant amount of drugs available in Mexico may be counterfeit (Source: FDA Initiative to Combat Counterfeit Drugs). Some of these medicines can contain “filler material” in order to lower manufacturing costs, and these can range from excess wood pulp (cellulose), to baking powder, petroleum by-products, or other, potentially dangerous substances. Either way, this is not something that you want in your bug-out bag only to find out it is worthless in your time of need or creates further medical problems that you can’t treat!
So, go ahead and mark that avenue of prepping off your list. Do not buy from questionable, fly-by-night, internet-based “Doctors” with no business ratings or certifications and avoid wasting your money while on vacation in Mexico. So where does that leave us? How can we find quality medicines without a prescription for truly legitimate concerns and uses?
As I said; Veterinarian Drugs. These Do Not Require a Prescription.
Yes, that might sound more dangerous than buying pills from a Mexican street corner, but I assure you, it is not. USP-approved animal pharmaceuticals are often made in the same manufacturing plants as human pharmaceuticals and will contain the same ingredients. They are the same color, shape, and bare the same markings as human drugs. This likely boils down to cost-effectiveness for Big Pharma, but for once, is also in your interest and favor.
Allow me to explain. Every “drug” manufactured, sold, or brought into the United States must pass FDA regulations (don’t get me started on the FDA), and is listed within the United States Pharmacopeia, or USP. This is a compendium recognized officially by the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act that contains descriptions, uses, strengths, and standards of purity for selected drugs and for all of their forms of dosage.
Use of the USP Verified Pharmaceutical Ingredient Mark helps ingredient manufacturers assure their customers that the quality of the ingredients they are supplying has been rigorously tested and verified by an independent authority. When the mark appears on an ingredient container or carton, it represents that USP has evaluated the ingredient and found that:
1. The participant’s quality system helps to ensure that the ingredient meets its label or certificate of analysis claims for identity, strength, purity, and quality.
2. The ingredient has been prepared under accepted good manufacturing practices (GMP) that ensure consistency in the quality of ingredients from batch to batch.
3. The ingredient meets its specifications’ acceptance criteria.
So what does all of this FDA jargon mean? Overall, it translates to assuring you that if you see an animal drug that is labeled, “UPS Pharmaceutical grade Amoxicillin,” it is the exact same pharmaceutical grade Amoxicillin that your doctor would prescribe you for various infections.
As for the identification or verification process, should you still feel uneasy, we can look to the FDA (yet again, ugh).
Per the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/aprqtr/pdf/21cfr206.7.pdf), each capsule, tablet, or pill must be uniquely marked. Two tablets with identical colors, shapes, and markings cannot, by law, have different ingredients. This is for a variety of reasons, but not limited to assisting Poison Control hotlines, hospitals, doctors, etc., in determining what someone might have ingested, overdosed on, or is causing side effects.
These markings, colors, tablet shape and other identifying information can be found in medical reference texts, but now, we can use resources such as WebMD, Drugs.com, RxList.com, and many verified smartphone applications such as iPharmacy that can quickly and easily identify drugs should you need to. As a former police officer, I carried a pocket-sized guide to pill identification in my gear bag and it proved invaluable.
Still not convinced? Above is a picture of a 250mg Amoxicillin capsule. It is imprinted with ‘Westward 938.’
This is a pharmaceutical grade, USP-approved, safe-for-human antibiotic that can be verified on the pill identification site, Drugs.com. This is also the exact same pill that I received from the veterinarian supply when I ordered a bottle of 250mg Fish-Mox. That means it came from the same manufacturer, and contains the exact same ingredients as the medication I can pickup at Walgreens or CVS.
Update: Since first writing this article, I have ordered additional medications. Above is a picture of the Fish-Mox Forte (500mg Amoxicillin) received from Cal-Vet Supply. The Drugs.com Pill Identification Fact Sheet for this capsule identifies it as Amoxicillin 500 mg.
It is a red and pink capsule, with the markings WC 731 on both sides.
Hayden’s Note:
Now, as I always tell my readers, don’t take my word for it and trust no one! I urge you to carefully examine markings, manufacturers, color, and every available bit of information that you can garner when dealing with medications and making a decision to take them without “physician’s approval.” My goal here is to help you discover alternatives, but the proper identification, verification, dosage, and diagnosis is ultimately up to you and your own research. I implore you to proceed with caution – we are talking about Big Pharma, here.
Where Do I Find Veterinary Drugs?
So this brings us to the question, “What sort of veterinary drugs do I need and where can I find them?”
Well, this mostly boils down to what you are comfortable with and prepared to use in whatever future, post-SHTF scenario you are prepping for. Some of the more common, everyday antibiotics have already been mentioned, such as Doxycycline, Amoxicillin, Cephalexin, Penicillin, and Ciprofloxacin – commonly referred to as Cipro.
We will get into these in greater detail shortly, but this requires you to exercise caution and take your own risks. I would like to add that your doctor takes these very same risks when he prescribes you an antibiotic in which you’ve never had before. There is always a chance of side effects or allergic reaction, therefore I suggest that you stock only what you need and what you have taken before.
Personally, I’ve taken every single one of the above mentioned medications under proper “medical supervision” at some point in my life and I know that I am not allergic, therefore I stock them. I have also taken several veterinary versions of these same medications for various infections, including a severe tooth abscess. It would be wise for whoever is in charge of your medical preps to have a list of everyone’s medical allergies and any contra-indications.
There are a variety of sources for these antibiotics, but a few of them really stand out as quality, mainstream suppliers.
My first suggestion would be Cal-Vet Supply.
While I have absolutely no business affiliation or interest in them, I have used them in the past and Cal-Vet Supply would be my first choice based upon quality, ease of ordering, selection, and cost. You may find several others, but this is my go-to source.
What Do I Need?
I’ll simply provide a short list of some of the more common antibiotics, their veterinary named-counterparts, and allow you to tailor it to your specific needs or criteria.
Penicillin
Penicillin is an antibiotic in the penicillin group of drugs. It fights bacteria in your body.
Penicillin is used to treat many different types of infections caused by bacteria, such as ear infections, urinary tract infections, septicemia, meningitis, intra-abdominal infection, gonorrhea, syphilis, pneumonia, respiratory infections, ear, nose and throat infections, skin and soft tissue infections.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Pen and 500mg Fish Pen Forte
Amoxicillin
A penicillin antibiotic. It fights bacteria in your body.
Amoxicillin is used to treat many different types of infections caused by bacteria, such as ear infections, bladder infections, pneumonia, gonorrhea, and E. coli or salmonella infection.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Mox (for children) and 500mg Fish Mox Forte (for adults).
Ciprofloxacin, or Cipro
Ciprofloxacin is an antibiotic in a group of drugs called fluoroquinolones. It is used as a potent, broad-spectrum antibiotic to fight bacteria in the body.
It may also be used to prevent or slow anthrax after exposure.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 500mg Fish Flox Forte
Cephalexin, or Keflex
Cephalexin is in a group of drugs called cephalosporin antibiotics. Keflex fights bacteria in the body.
Keflex is used to treat infections caused by bacteria, including upper respiratory infections, ear infections, skin infections, urinary tract infections, tooth and mouth infections.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 250mg Fish Flex and 500mg Fish Flex Forte
Doxycycline
Doxycycline is a tetracycline antibiotic. It fights bacteria in the body. It may be substituted in place of penicillin to treat common infections in those people who are allergic to that particular drug.
Doxycycline is used to treat many different bacterial infections, such as urinary tract infections, acne, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, Lyme disease or tick bite infections, anthrax infections, cholera, periodontitis (gum disease), and others.
Exercise caution with expired Doxycycline / tetracycline and -cycline medications. There has been some documentation of liver damage and some have even labeled it toxic if used past the expiration date. However, Doxycycline provides a great alternative to penicillin medications for those who are allergic.
More information can be found here, including side effects, allergic reactions, etc.
Veterinarian Equivalent: 100mg Bird Biotic
Dosages and Notes Regarding Veterinary Drugs
Joseph Alton, MD, is a medical doctor and Fellow of the American College of Surgeons and the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology. He is also a prepper, and writes:
“These antibiotics are used at specific doses for specific illnesses; the exact dosage of each and every medication is beyond the scope of this [article]. Suffice it to say that most penicillin and cephalosporin (Keflex and other cephalexin) medications are taken at 500mg dosages, 3-4 times a day for adults, and 250mg dosages for children, whereas Metronidazole (250mg) and Doxycycline (100mg) are taken twice a day.
It’s important to have as much information as possible on medications that you plan to store for times of trouble, so consider purchasing a hard copy of the latest Physician’s Desk Reference. This book comes out yearly and has just about every bit of information that exists on a particular medication, including those that do not require prescription. Indications, dosage, risks, and side effects are all listed.”
In Closing
Dr. Alton ends with a great reminder regarding the state of affairs that we might one day find ourselves in:
“If we ever find ourselves without modern medical care, we will have to improvise medical strategies that we perhaps might be reluctant to consider today. Without hospitals, it will be up to the [field] medic to treat infections. That responsibility will be difficult to carry out without the weapons to fight disease, such as antibiotics.
Alternative therapies should be looked at carefully, as well. Honey and garlic have known antibacterial actions, as do a number of herbs and essential oils. Be sure to integrate all medical options, traditional and alternative, and use every tool at your disposal to keep your community healthy.”
I urge you to verify and check all medications that you order with a reputable pill identification book or website in order to make sure you truly receive what you ordered.
About the Author:
Kevin Hayden is a former New Orleans police officer-turned-political activist. He endured Hurricane Katrina’s chaos and societal collapse in the days following and after 5 years in New Orleans, moved to Oklahoma. Kevin currently runs www.TruthisTreason.net and writes about issues pertaining to our monetary, food, and foreign policies while building an off-grid homestead and helping people become prepared. He can be contacted directly at Contact@TruthisTreason.net or via his website.
The above information should not be taken as direct medical or legal advice. Kevin Hayden is not a qualified medical practitioner nor lawyer.
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Very interesting article. Do you know how long the drugs will keep (stored as prep) before they have to be replaced? My “guess” would be 1 year; 2 at the most.
I suppose I should have added a word or two about that.
Vet drugs will have an expiration date, just like all other meds. Some, like tetracyclines, can become toxic after the expiration date while others are generally considered to be “okay” if a bit past date. I really suggest you consult texts such as the Physician’s Desk Reference for exact info.
Manufacturers put that date on there because they only “guarantee” the effectiveness of the medication until that date. After then , it will begin losing some effectiveness. There are charts available for most drugs that will indicate how rapidly they will deteriorate in strength and effectiveness. This even applies to vitamins!
Lastly, if stored in a cool, dry spot, they will maintain their effectiveness longer. If you leave these in a hot weekend cabin for a year, you will likely be wasting your time in taking them. Keep things like medications at a comfortable 60-68 degrees, if not cooler, and you can preserve them longer. I would suggest simply rotating your stock 6 months prior to expiration dates. They aren’t terribly expensive and will give you 2-3 years of peace of mind. In the meantime, begin learning how to diagnose common infections and how to provide treatment if antibiotics are required. This is nothing to joke around with.
Cheers,
Kevin Hayden
THE MILITARY DID A TEST AND MOST DRUGS WERE GOOD FOR 15 YEARS. THEY WERE DISPOSING OF MILLIONS OF BOTTLES OF EXPIRED PILLS EVERY YEAR AND THE TEST WAS TO SEE IF THAT WAS EVEN NECESSARY. IT WAS NOT.
THE EXPIRATION DATE ON THE BOTTLES IS ONLY A DATE FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT THEY GUARANTEE THE PILLS ARE STILL AT 100 PERCENT POTENT. IT IS THE MANUFACTURERS GUARANTEE DATE AND NOTHING MORE.
Great article and very informative. Question: Can the ATB’s be stored in a
refrigerator?
Yes! While they don’t require that low of a temperature, putting them in the fridge helps to maintain a *constant* cool temperature.
Cheers,
Hayden
I’ve been using fish antibiotics for a year and a half for three sinus infections. I looked up my fish amoxocillin pill on the web and found it was identical to the human version. It also cured the infection. I have no hesitation about using these medications and have several hundred in storage. If SHTF, they’ll be more valuable than gold for barter as well as keeping my family alive.
Great to hear of your success. Any particular identification information would be great to help others, as well!
What brand of vet drug, where you ordered it, and it’s “human pharmaceutical equivalent” would be great. What markings were on both, color, etc.
Cheers, and thanks for writing!
Kevin Hayden
Dear Kevin,
I grew up on a dairy, and we had our own version of a large animal “pharmacy.” We carried liquid based tetracycline, amoxycillin, and penicillin in large bottles among many other drugs, and cow “first aid” implements. Growing up, when ever we got sick or had any kind of infection, my dad would always give us a few drops of tetracycline or amoxycillin in our orange juice (to hide the terrible flavor) and we always got better. In fact, I can count on two fingers how many times I had to go to a doctor in the first 22 years of my life! My dad was allergic to penicillin, so he always took the tetracycline, and usually gave that to us too. I have no idea if these were USP pharmaceutical grade or not, but they worked, we never had an adverse reaction to them, and I would not be afraid to administer them to my wife or son if needed. Have you looked into some of the big animal vets? They usually have big jars that would contain hundreds of servings of antibiotics for humans (maybe twenty or so for large animals like cows and horses) and would probably store longer than pills. Just a thought. Thanks for the great article, as it confirms to me that I’m not an idiot for having a stock of vet antibiotics on hand.
Hahaha, Chef. Great personal story there. I hesitate to store liquid forms of meds, especially in the large dose sizes. I’ve still got some research to do, but I fear that they likely contain preservatives (human AND animal versions). Many times, these preservatives use mercury as a base. I’m not sure if this applies to antibiotics, but I will begin looking into it. Further more, with large containers, the chance of accident, breakage, loss, contamination, etc rises compared to pills or tablets that can be easily tucked into a go-bag.
I definitely appreciate your input and will let you know if I find anything regarding preservatives. I know that many vaccines contain these preservatives when in large dose containers, but I can’t say with any sort of certainty regarding antibiotics. Lastly, the debate whether these preservatives are even harmful or not is still a hot issue and one that I would rather leave up to the individual instead of trying to prove conclusively one way or the other, which is out of my realm of expertise.
Cheers,
Kevin Hayden
One medicine that you missed listing that should be is Bactrum. It is the only safe MRSA medicine. There are very few things that will beat MRSA, bactrum bing the best of the bunch. Others have either harsh side effects, or require an IV to do them.
Excellent article. My husband, Dr.Bones AKA Dr.Alton,MD, and I, spent months researching fish antibiotics and their safety. We have had numerous emails confirming that the fish antibiotics are the same pills sold in pharmacies for humans, including pharmacists and research and development for fish antibiotic company employees. Here is a website to do your own research: http://www.rxlist.com/pill-identification-tool/article.htm We have opened the fish antibiotics we own and found them to be 100% human pills. We ALWAYS encourage everyone to confirm this for themselves. This information is for stocking up for a collapse situation or treating your sick fish, as you understand the FDA does not condone vet meds for human consumption. We have raised fish for over 15 years and have seen numerous fish antibiotics.
Send us any emails to drbonespodcast@aol.com, we are always happy to answer any questions.
Be safe,
Amy
Thank you for your comments, Nurse Amy!
For those of you who don’t know “Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy,” I highly recommend you check out their website over at http://www.DoomandBloom.net. They have some really great articles that span the fields of prepping, with a focus on growing nutritious food and medical knowledge.
In fact, I will be providing a review of their new book, ‘Doom and Bloom Survival Medicine Handbook’ for TruthisTreason.net soon and I look forward to reading it!
Cheers,
Kevin Hayden
Just to add, I met Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy at a show in Mesquite, TX a couple of weeks ago. They are smart and informative and generous with their time and knowledge. Any prepper would be blessed to have them running the infirmary at your ‘compound’ but better yet, they’ll probably be teaching the staff of several infirmaries.
Thanks for your insight, Dr. Dan! It’s great to hear from so many medical personnel regarding this topic!
Cheers,
Hayden
Thank you for this article; I’ll be doing some fact-checking and getting to work on stocking what I can. However, I do think it should be mentioned that overuse and misuse of antibiotics is causing some of them to lose effectiveness and creating resistant strains of bacteria that cannot be treated effectively with these antibiotics anymore.
It is just as important to know when to use them (and when not) and to use them properly (through the entire course of treatment rather than just until symptoms clear up), as it is to have them on hand when you need them. So I second the recommendation to get a copy of the Physician’s Desk Reference. You can sometimes find them at the larger used book stores, and the information isn’t going to change much year to year on the basic antibiotics we’re talking about here.
That’s a great point, AnJo1 !
Thanks for mentioning it. I’m sure I’ll be doing a “revised” and expanded version of this article since it is doing so well. I’ve received about 40,000 hits on this story alone, so it’s a popular topic!
Cheers,
Hayden
This is great information – If you could recommend only one or two – which would they be?
Thank you for the very informative article. Thanks also for the heads up regarding Cali Vet Supply. I have ordered fish antibiotics over the web before, but most were at or near their expiration dates. Of the five varieties that I ordered from CVS a week ago, the earliest exp. date is 08/2013. The latest is 10/2014.
Everyone who orders Fish antibiotics should make sure they printout the dosages page for each on http://www.drugs.com.
Well, this is kind of scary for me….I just went to the site you suggested and ordered penicillin. The really weird thing is that I just read this article yesterday, then this afternoon, my uninsured husband developed an abcessed tooth. I called some dentists and they will not even begin to touch for 300.00. I do not know yet what we will do about the cause of the abcess, but we need to begin with antibiotics. Strange how this day and age, and even though we both work our butts off, we are laughed at for having 300.00 to put toward having a tooth removed. If you were to ask me, that is treason. I just pray the antibiotics will help. Thank you so much for this information.
Susan, I just went through the SAME thing with my tooth. Everyone wanted $300.00 or more just to extract it. The “free” clinic would only give me a script for antibiotics and put on a 30 day waiting list. The abscess was at the root of the tooth, and they said it would only be cured by extraction. I took the antibiotics they prescribed, however I was getting no pain relief by day 7 and about to lose it. I turned to some home remedies. I used oil of oregano once per day on the gum, putting it on the area and swishing it over the tooth itself. After discovering a crack in the tooth, I applied dentemp, to cover that up with. After 24 hours I was pain free, and able to survive the wait. Good luck to you
Is there a veterinary equivalent for bactrum?
Hope it helps. great seller
I have a supply of fish antibiotics in my pantry and have used them for sinus infections several times. They work great.
I have fish antibiotics, but what can I do about obtaining thyroid? I have Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. I need a source for Synthroid or Armour thyroid, please.
I don’t know how available this is in the veterinary world, but given the degree of bacterial resistance to both penicillins and fluoroquinlones (Cipro), I recommend a supply of Bactrim (trimethoprim.sulfamethoxazole) which is still quite effective against staph, even MRSA. Two resources for human use of antibiotics, antifungals and antiparasite drugs:
1. the Sanford Guide–dense, but pretty self-explanatory, small and cheap
http://www.sanfordguide.com
2. Your local hospital lab usually publishes an “antibiogram” in which they list the local strains of bacteria and the percentage of response to different antibiotics–this should be a free pamphlet
And as always, the book “Where There is No Doctor” that tells you how to set up basic sanitation and MASH-type medical care.
+1 on the Sanford Guide, which is updated yearly, and costs much less than the arcane and unwieldly Physicians Desk Reference (PDR). You could likely get away with using a Sanford guide for 2 or 3 years before replacing it, and be ok.
++1 on the local hospital’s antibiogram which will give you much more information about what drugs to choose for the bugs found in your local community. Most often keflex, penicillin, and the like won’t touch things like MRSA that cause your nasty abscesses and purulent wound infections.
Don’t go guessing, as this will waste valuable time and money; and don’t go around throwing the kitchen sink at something that only needs one antibiotic. Treating bacterial infection is not always rocket science, but it’s not something that can be guessed at either.
You CAN make it worse by doing the wrong thing. You can also wind up in the hospital or worse from a clostridium difficile infection by wiping out all of the good bugs in your intestine.
Here is an article that deals with the safety and effectiveness of expired antibiotics. Reposted from Survivalblog.com
http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/10/guest_article_expired_medicati.html
I s there other sites to buy,besides the one in Calif,? Sites i have looked at says they have to have prescriptions from vets.
Hi, I have a question that’s off the topic of antibiotics.
I have a couple of medical conditions that are autoimmune related (and the extras that come with them). I would not die from them without the medications, but…. pain and progression of the disorders make at least some of the basics very important. I am also bipolar and after 18 years finally have a cocktail that works. Trying to live under “WTSHTF” conditions would be impossible without the meds that control the bipolar and anxiety.
LOL I don’t expect an answer from here, but if you could point me to someone that might be able to help me.
I’ve always been a weather prepared person. I’ve lived most of my life in Missouri’s tornado ally. But over the last year have begun to realize that WTSHTF is a possibility and I’d like to do something. I live in a rural tiny (553 people) town. It’s just me, my service dog and 2 cats.
Thanks for reading and any info you can pass on.
Honestly, the only advice I can give you is to try to truly work on identifying your bipolar triggers, your mood swings, and what you can do to naturally deal with them in a bit more stylized manner.
I dealt with some bipolar issues when I was younger and was on a cocktail of meds. I was not happy with taking Big Pharma pills and depending on something to make me function. Over a few years, I was able to understand and identify the typical triggers or at least learn to tell when my body was going into a roller coaster mode and counterbalance those feelings with activities, or move into an environment that would not further exacerbate my mood swings.
It doesn’t work for everyone as we all have slightly different reasons for why our brain chemistry is a bit “off.” You might experiment with various herbal teas, especially concentrated teas, and look at how your diet might also be promoting an unbalance. That was a big key for me. Balance your diet = balance your body = helps to balance your mind. I know that sounds all New Age and hippy’ish, but it’s true. We consume a devastating diet nowadays with chemicals, preservatives, and a severe lack of natural, wholesome, quality foods.
As for when SHTF, there will be no meds for anxiety and chemical imbalances, personality disorders, etc. Learning to cope efficiently now is my advice, along with finding natural medications that can help.
Good luck!
Can Tylan 200 be used on humans? I know it says it is for livestock only but can it be used in an emergency and help more than harm? What would the correct dose be? for a 200 lb person?
To the poster on Bipolar.. ck out Serenity.. the real stuff.. you can find it on the web. Also, some say E3Live Brain on will help. .substituting for the Adderall for ADHD.. just experimenting with it at the moment with hubby. But Serenty is great stuff, no script needed– and it is a natural formed lithium.. May not work for everyone.. but all my pts use it.. and have gotten off the big pharma stuff”- It isn’t cheap.. maybe 40 -45 /month supply.. not sure if case quant was bought.
There are mock offs of this product. .it is that good.. helps with depression, mood swings, etc. No drugs..
Another product.. Silver Sol– bottle- liquid, and the gel for topical use.. great for virus, bacteria.. we will be buying and splitting cases in the family.. of both products.
Another for hormonal women– hysterectomy.. menopausal, pre, post, and ovary removal- AmBERan.. You can take this for all of these things.. and it is great stuff.. no drugs– pts report great experiences.. calms mood swings.. and you can buy in case quant..
Now if i could find subs for abilify products.. something stronger than Sam E
Dr D Conrad
Check out The Patriot Nurse on YouTube, she has several video’s relating to antibiotics usuage, storage and lifespan. An extrememly useful and “jargon-free” information source. My own enquiries have led me to store antibiotics in the refridgerator: not because they require a particularly low temperature (“cool” is all that is needed) but because it provides a CONSTANT temperature, rather than one that varies considerably throughout the day/night.
I stocked up on Fish Meds about a year ago when I found out that it was the same stuff that humans take. I bought mine over the Web at the huge website named after a river (Hint: not the Nile – A_ _ Z _ N! I have used them a few times following the guidelines in the book “Where there is no Doctor” (which no Prepper/Survivalist should be without) and never had a problem with them. The greatest benefit is that I did not have to wait and see a Doctor to obtain them at hugely inflated prices!
On this antibiotic discussion I concur with the most of it and can add to it a good bit. I have used horse related antibiotics for years, both penicillin and tetracycline for about anything under the sun on infections, both work well on you shouldn’t have a reaction unless your allergic to it.
There are others. For the lady with the abscessed tooth. I had that trouble all my life, and good old butazolodine (phenylbutozne) I believe is correct is good for everything from tooth aches to blown out knees. It is an anti inflammatory and it comes in a human form. I only use the pills and 1/4 of a horse pill will get the job done. that dose BOUT EVERY 4 HOURS AND YOUWILL FEEL THE PRESSURE FROM THE ABCYSS
On this antibiotic discussion I concur with the most of it and can add to it a good bit. I have used horse related antibiotics for years, both penicillin and tetracycline pills and injectibles for about anything under the sun on infections, both work well and you shouldn’t have a reaction unless your allergic to it.
There are others. For the lady with the abscessed tooth. I had that trouble all my life, and good old butazolodine (phenylbutozne) I believe is correct is good for everything from tooth aches to blown out knees. It is an anti inflammatory and it comes in a human form. I only use the pills and 1/4 of a horse pill will get the job done. that dose every 4 hours will get er done.
Banomine you probably cant order on line, but find a local large animal vet.
Another drug that works well for pain is Banomine. 1cc in a glass of OJ or Grapefruit and and yu will feel nothing pretty quickly.
I say this because I have used them for 40 years and was a horse trainer for ever and worked for a vet for upwards of 10 years.
Great article! I just wanted to mention that after being sick with Lyme disease for over 30 years and finally being diagnosed almost 4 years ago, that I have done quite a bit of research on abx. I’ve also read hundreds of people’s stories of abx usage. I just say that because the family of abx – fluoroquinolones – can have disastrous, life long ramifications. Please do your research and choose another type for your first line of defense. Many Lyme sufferers (as well as others) have used fluoroquinolines and are terribly sorry they did. Dr. Mercola has great info here: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/18/Antibiotics-to-Avoid-Like-the-Plague-Due-to-FDAs-Oversight-Failure.aspx
Apparently over half of these type of abx have been removed from the market due to their life long chronic debilitating side-effects. In a SHTF situation, we sure don’t want to exchange one problem for a bigger one.
Also, search “floxed cipro” and you will find all kinds of stories.
I buy mine at Lambert Vet Supply.
Should we hoard painkillers? In the event somewhat should get hurt or a bad tooth or something of that nature?
“Per the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/aprqtr/pdf/21cfr206.7.pdf), each capsule, tablet, or pill must be uniquely marked. Two tablets with identical colors, shapes, and markings cannot, by law, have different ingredients. This is for a variety of reasons, but not limited to assisting Poison Control hotlines, hospitals, doctors, etc., in determining what someone might have ingested, overdosed on, or is causing side effects.”
Great bit of deductive reasoning! Must be your years of police work that allowed you to come up with this wisdom where no one else had. Even HAD I thought of that, I’d never have been able to state it so eloquently. Saw the link from survivalblog, had forgotten all about you until I was reminded again. Very popular post you have here now. TruthIsTreason, huh? How about a cite to where you first read this? Ha.
I would love to cite the source where I first read a small portion of that line -
It was buried in the comments to an article posted at:
http://armageddonmedicine.net/?p=581
While I appreciate the original article there, it did not dive into antibiotics far deep enough for what people are looking for, therefore I sat down to write a much more thorough piece on the topic in order to try and settle the ridiculous debate once and for all.
If its your comment, I apologize for utilizing 30 of your words in my 2,665 word piece. Furthermore, I appreciate the compliment and thank you for your link to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act .pdf.
I strive for eloquentness, so I am happy that it reached you.
Friendly advice –
I’m not a fan of sarcasm, but I do respond quickly to emails and requests.
That was one (at armageddonmedicine.net), here’s a slightly older one from aways back – which I why I told Doc Cindy it settled pre-y2k: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001w9m (Gil’s comment).
Hi, thanks for the info, i have been looking up this for quite sometimes, since my family has used Human ones in the past for diff kinds of things. My bf however has been suffering from infections in the Tonsils for sometimes now and we cannot afford a 300 dollar bill everytime due to having no insurance. i was wondering if i can ask a dose question. lets say he needs to take a 250mg pill 2 times a day for 7 days. And the Fish ones say 250mg. is it the same? how am i’m to know how much to give him if its not? i haven’t found a site on this yet. do you know of any you can rely me too? thanks so much for the info. it would be a real help.
I’m not a doctor and do not offer dosage advice.
However, you’ve already answered your own question –
IF he needs to take 250mg twice a day, then he needs to take 250mg twice a day.
Cheers,
Hayden
Hey Hayden,
You’re the MAN! Thanks for the legwork. Outstanding job! I hope you don’t mind, but I put a link on my (survival) website to your page. Indispensable info for all.
Regards,
Nathan
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